—Order or Chaos— In a culture that’s determined to create hatred and division, you have both used your voices, your lives, and your strength to bring cooperation, unity, and respect,” Pastor Allen told John DeBerry and Brandon Tatum in this podcast, where they talk about race, politics, family, gender confusion, and standing for truth. DeBerry represented the 90th House District of Tennessee from 1995 to 2020 and now acts as the senior advisor to Governor Bill Lee. He shares stories about growing up during the era of segregation and offers a powerful perspective on the situations we’re facing today. Tatum, the host of The Officer Tatum Show, provides candid observations on racism, forgiveness, and the important role our faith plays in unifying people.